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Re: Two views on the future of evolution

m...@mikeash.com (Mike Ash) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 17:24:09 UT

In article <hnicrm$uo...@news.eternal-sep tember.org>,
Got cite? I've never even heard of any group who believed the end of the
world was something they would personally see in their lifetimes except
for very fringe groups. A large portion of the world believes religions
which involve cyclical time where the world doesn't even have an end.

Re: An Ultrafinite Set Theory

fredjeffr...@gmail.com (FredJeffries) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 16:16:45 UT

If {1,2,3} is your set of natural numbers and 1/3 is your smallest
real number then there is no such thing as 2^2, 2^3, 1/4, 1/8, and
you've got four terms in calculation when you've said that only three
are allowed, ...
Shouldn't it be, according your rules:
Sum(1/2^n) = 1/2
(Actually, you haven't yet shown us how to get the existence of 1/2

Re: I Think Therefore I Am - rebuttal

huangxienc...@yahoo.com (Huang) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:59:07 UT

What Ed Green said is correct. And I will add that even if all of
these various configurations of matter, or chess games never actually
happened, they are all OBSERVABLE.
You cannot observe a chess game between 2 people where 3 people
actually win. That would be an unobservable chess game.
Descartes claims "I think....therefore a,b,c,d,e...". He might as well

Re: I Think Therefore I Am - rebuttal

spamspamsp...@netzero.com (Edward Green) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:33:48 UT

You miss my point, really. The word "logical" perhaps could have been
just as easily been removed from the sentence. Does that make it
clearer? There is no arrangement of matter or information we can make
that was not a feasible arrangement of matter or information, just as
there is no (legal) game of chess that can be played which was not

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com (Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:30:54 UT

If it's planned, you indicate that the upper class is even stupider
than one might think; what supports the industrial consumerist
infrastructure is the EXISTENCE of a middle class with disposable
income. Get rid of the middle class, all the super-corporations collapse.
I don't believe in any such nefarious plans. Even if our civilization

Re: I Think Therefore I Am - rebuttal

spamspamsp...@netzero.com (Edward Green) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:24:39 UT

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

tae...@zonnet.nl (Taemon) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:23:34 UT

Doesn't ring a bell, actually. Are you referring to the war?
Oh, that is not true. So not true! He ALWAYS panders reason. He wants to
eradicate religion, not by eradicating believers but by educating them and
their children. A well-educated person is much safer from religion.
It doesn't follow from the fact that beliefs settle in the brain that they

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

tae...@zonnet.nl (Taemon) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 15:20:15 UT

tg wrote:
Yes, that sounds concincing.
I don't know. Fear of death, whether personal or parochial, is stronger when
things are in an upheaval, which should trigger the effect. Also, when
things have been stable for more than one generation, the idea of the end of
the world is further from one's mind. But... it would also be more

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

trolid...@go.com (troll) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 14:04:18 UT

The idea that human civilization is not affecting the oceans because
humans are derived from land based organisms is not true. Fishing
is a basic way of extracting solar energy from the oceans in a way
that
ranching is a way of extracting solar energy for food from areas not
as easily reached by conventional agriculture on land.

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

tgdenn...@earthlink.net (tg) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 13:02:51 UT

It may not be projected personal mortality so much as parochial. Our
personal identity is tied to our cultural milieu; if that changes to a
significant degree, it counts as 'the end of civilization as we know
it' in our perception. (Or it does for most people.)
In some cultures, and certainly historically, there is very little

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

z...@erkonx.net (Zerkon) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 12:33:13 UT

Ok, then by most standards in the publishing world. He derives money and
a considerable amount of fame from an opinion of what he thinks others
believe. Where have we heard that before?
OK.
The divisions are presented first as false absolutes which feed the same
type of dark irrational bigotry he professes to attack; secondly, he

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

z...@erkonx.net (Zerkon) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 11:46:08 UT

'Poor' is relative. 'Poor' must feed on those above. Poor people matter.
Without them, Rich does not matter.

Re: Need help understanding some wf

ma...@rdrop.remove.com (William Elliot) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 10:42:26 UT

...
...
Define C# for the case when f occures in C.
You still haven't answer this or my previous question.
So you're wanting to prove (e)?
Bah. Google's dumb and rude instance of including unwanted clutter like
"Ocultar texto de la cita" is one of the reasons why not to use google.
I don't understand it because you haven't answered my questions.

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

ma...@rdrop.remove.com (William Elliot) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 10:21:40 UT

It's already happening starting with the
planned extinction of the middle class.

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

tae...@zonnet.nl (Taemon) — Sun, 14 мар 2010 10:13:10 UT

Most generations have expected the end of the world to come about in their
time. It's very satisfying to imagine that humankind stops when we,
personally, stop. It's not abnormal at all; it probably stems from fear of
death and should be less common in people who have children. I don't know if
that has ever been researched, but I would bet a lot on it.